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Advanced HUD, puzzling 3bet-fold description

Posted:
Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:11 pm
by PeteX
Kraada,
I was looking at the description of "Fold to PF 3Bet When Raised"-stat and it reads: "Fold to Preflop 3Bet Percentage When Hero Open Raised And It Wasn't A Steal"
Is that 100% accurate? What is "Hero" doing there?
Re: Advanced HUD, puzzling 3bet-fold description

Posted:
Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:24 pm
by kraada
Hero is opened the pot with a raise from a non-steal position (that is, not the CO/Button/SB). He faces a 3-bet.
This stat is the percentage of the time that he folds to that 3-bet (of times that he faces it).
Note that for the positional stats, though, the "not a steal" part is removed. So fold to 3-bet PF from LP is any time you open raise in LP.
Re: Advanced HUD, puzzling 3bet-fold description

Posted:
Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:32 pm
by PeteX
Hmm... What?
This is the 2nd stat on the General-group. Shouldn't that PFR - colored and colored by how often villain folds when hero 3-bets HIS open raise? Or have I misunderstood how you use the PFR - colored stat on the general group?
I understood it like this:
- The number shows the range of villains raising, which is the standard PFR
- The color shows how easy it is to get the villain to fold when I 3-bet his open-raise
Why would you want to see any information about "Hero" on the general group?
EDIT: Ahha, you use the same "PFR - Colored" on the Hero stats group, so the description just applies there. And on the General-group, it works like I mention above? Right?
Re: Advanced HUD, puzzling 3bet-fold description

Posted:
Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:23 pm
by kraada
The stat on the general group is how often a player FOLDS given all of these other conditions.
Let me give an example, perhaps that will clear it up. (I completely made up these numbers, apologies if they're a bit far from reality.)
Say we have 500 hands on some player, call him A.
A has open raised 100 times in his 500 hands from non-steal positions. Of those 100 raises, he was 3-bet 40 times. Of the times he faced a 3-bet (those 40 times), he folded 15 times. (Note: The stat does not take into account who did the 3betting, just that someone did.)
A's Fold to 3-bet PF NvBS would be 15 / 40 or 37.5% and A's PFR - colored would be colored in yellow.
I put the same stat on the hero group figuring that we might as well use the same stat there rather than just PFR. If you've been 3 bet 4 times in a session and folded to all of them, that will tell you something about your table image.
Re: Advanced HUD, puzzling 3bet-fold description

Posted:
Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:45 pm
by PeteX
Yep, you described it exactly as I assumed. It was just the word "Hero" on the description and the appearance of the stat on the "General"-group that confused me.
Re: Advanced HUD, puzzling 3bet-fold description

Posted:
Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:53 pm
by kraada
Ah, I see. Hero there meant "for the guy this stat is about" not Hero as in you . . . but I think we got that cleared up now :)