new: Fold to Push after CBetRaise (3BP)

[js2002]

js2002_cnt_p_3bet_f_cbet_and_allin_def_action_fold
sum(if[ holdem_hand_player_statistics.cnt_p_raise > 0 AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet_def_opp AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_f_cbet_def_opp AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_f_cbet_action='R' AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_face_allin='F' AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_face_allin_action='F'
, 1 , 0 ])

js2002_cnt_p_3bet_f_cbet_and_allin_def_opp
sum(if[ holdem_hand_player_statistics.cnt_p_raise > 0 AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet_def_opp AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_f_cbet_def_opp AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_f_cbet_action='R' AND
holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_face_allin='F'
, 1 , 0 ])

Can u check that please?
Villian raises a CBet in 3bet pot, faces a flop allin and reacts with fold, ok?!

oh: I forgot holdem_hand_player_statistics.enum_f_cbet_action='R' in the denumerator....

[WhiteRider]

That looks pretty good, but I think your preflop conditions may be a little restrictive (maybe even incorrect).

You currently have it as the player raises preflop and faces (specifically) a 3-bet, then makes a c-bet on the flop.
This means that they must have 4-bet (or 5- or 6-bet) preflop to be the preflop aggressor. They can't make a flop c-bet if they weren't the last to raise preflop.
So you won't get cases where the player faced a single raise and then 3-bet; then c-bet the flop.

[js2002]

That looks pretty good, but I think your preflop conditions may be a little restrictive (maybe even incorrect).

You currently have it as the player raises preflop and faces (specifically) a 3-bet, then makes a c-bet on the flop.
This means that they must have 4-bet (or 5- or 6-bet) preflop to be the preflop aggressor. They can't make a flop c-bet if they weren't the last to raise preflop.
So you won't get cases where the player faced a single raise and then 3-bet; then c-bet the flop.

hehe, drink less alcohol and read the stat again, preflop is all correct.

[WhiteRider]

Cheeky! It's a bit early to be boozing..

holdem_hand_player_statistics.cnt_p_raise > 0 AND holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet_def_opp
..says that the player raised and faced a 3-bet.

If that's the only case you want to check for then it's correct.
However, this won't count any cases where the player 3-bets, or faces a 4- (or 5-) bet instead of a 3-bet.

If the player raises and faces a 3-bet (and doesn't 4-bet) then they won't be the preflop aggressor, so won't be able to c-bet the flop.

If the player faces a raise (2-bet) and 3-bets, then c-bets the flop (which I think is the case you want) then your column won't count that (because they didn't face a 3-bet).

[js2002]

Cheeky! It's a bit early to be boozing..

holdem_hand_player_statistics.cnt_p_raise > 0 AND holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet_def_opp
..says that the player raised and faced a 3-bet.

If that's the only case you want to check for then it's correct.
However, this won't count any cases where the player 3-bets, or faces a 4- (or 5-) bet instead of a 3-bet.

If the player raises and faces a 3-bet (and doesn't 4-bet) then they won't be the preflop aggressor, so won't be able to c-bet the flop.

This stat is for the non PFA ! So I shall count: Villian makes a pfr, gets 3betted, just calls this (didnt catch this but I dont have to because of the following columns), so he´s the non-PFA and faced a CBet and raises it and faces a allin and folds to it.

If the player faces a raise (2-bet) and 3-bets, then c-bets the flop (which I think is the case you want) then your column won't count that (because they didn't face a 3-bet).

Again, CBet Raise is only possible when he the non PFA. That was the reason why I made the alc joke

[WhiteRider]

Sorry, you're right - I was reading it as if the active player was making the c-bet.
I still think you might want to check for 4-bet pots preflop, though; or do you want it to be for specifically 3-bet only pots?

[js2002]

for 3 only, because, if somebody calls my 4bet and raises my cbet its ok ;)

or is it easily build?

f.e. if I check "face 4bet" I get even face 5-x Bet", because the 4bet is defined like that in pt3

another question at the stat above:
do I need p_3bet_action="C" ? so that he called the 3bet

[WhiteRider]

You could make it:

(holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet_def_opp OR holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet_def_opp)

..easily enough.

[js2002]

well ok
0,5 + 1 + 30 + 30 (low 4bet size) = 61,5 pot at flop
stack left = 70 to 170
case 70: if the raises my cbet i haveto call and even i can pus over the top he cant fold
case 170: me bet 35 in 61,5 pot he raises to at least 80, I have 135 left and if I push it he even cant fold often

ok, your 4Bet thoughts apply to 150BB+ games.

I ll let it 3bet pot, because, my CBet Raise Stat is the same

[WhiteRider]

Sure, it's a rare case, so you don't need to worry about it.